We are all casualties of war ("take the silver or take the lead")

Editor's note: Laurent Guyenot's article argues that Charlie Kirk was murdered by Israeli-related interests due to his evolving stance on Israeli influence in American politics. Kirk had been gradually shifting from strong pro-Israel positions to questioning Israel's actions, particularly after October 7th. Key points include Kirk allegedly describing Gaza actions as "ethnic cleansing," questioning the official October 7th narrative, discussing Jeffrey Epstein as a possible Mossad agent, and challenging Ben Shapiro about Jewish media influence. The article suggests Kirk received threats, declined a Netanyahu invitation to Israel (and money), and was murdered before he could complete his ideological shift. Kirk jumped the rails on the Israeli controlled narrative. Here are various pieces of circumstantial evidence, including claims about the investigation, ballistics analysis, and suspicious timing of Netanyahu's response to Charlie Kirk's murder (public execution for blood libel). The article concludes that Kirk's murder serves both to eliminate a potential threat to Israeli interests and warn others like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens against holding similar positions on Israel.

Billionaire Bill Ackman convened stormy Israel 'intervention' with Charlie Kirk, sources say
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Who killed Charlie Kirk? The case against Israel

BY LAURENT GUYÉNOT | September 14, 2025

In just a couple of days, an impressive amount of information has been brought to light pointing to Israel's strong motive to take out Charlie Kirk ASAP. I will herein compile that information, as I found it on X and other Internet platforms.

In doing so, I am not influenced by my personal opinion on Kirk. I hardly ever listened to him before the last three days, and my opinion was mostly negative. Today, I still feel that Nick Fuentes was right in his very severe judgment of him as a lackey of Israel paid to keep the MAGA movement in line with Israel's interests, even when he was doing some "damage control". That doesn't mean, in my view, that Kirk was not sincere in his defense of Israel. As an evangelical Christian, he probably really saw this as a calling from God. On the other hand, I think that ambitious men are never exclusively interested by truth, that men in general (women included) are very good at lying to themselves about their true motivations, and that religion is a very practical way to lie to yourself. Sadly, even reasonably intelligent people can think and say: "I support Israel because the Bible tells me so."

So based on what I have seen recently, I believe that Kirk was turning, but I wouldn't be able to say to what extent his turning was motivated by his love for truth and morality, or by his concern for keeping the trust of his base of followers, and saving his political future. I suppose he was feeling opposite pressures from two sides: from his pro-Israel backers on the top, demanding that he keeps his unconditional support of Israel, and from his grass-root followers on the bottom, who find Israel's actions and Israel's influence on U.S. policies more and more unbearable (Kirk's followers also listen to Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens or Nick Fuentes).

Whatever his motivations were, and no matter how far he was planning to go in his critics of Israel, the fact is that he had gone quite far already. Candace Owens, who holds him in great esteem as a friend, said he was going through a "spiritual transformation", and believed he would have ultimately changed his mind entirely on Israel. That's a reasonable possibility. Tucker Carlson, also his friend, encouraged him in this way, and there are unmistakable signs that Kirk was listening to him and moving in the same direction. Would Kirk have gone all the way? No one can say, but there is a major difference between Owens and Carlson on the one hand, and Kirk on the other: Owens and Carlson both left comfortable situations to build their own platforms, whereas Kirk is not his own man: some influential people have invested a lot in him and will not let their investment go to waste. If for some reason they thought Kirk would be more useful dead than alive, then dead he would be.

In any case, Charlie Kirk was slowing turning, and he had been turning faster in the last few months. He had been the most pro-Israel MAGA influencer, together with Ben Shapiro, drawing millions of young people behind him. But his followers and others had been noticing that he was starting to ask embarrassing questions for Israel, about October 7th, about the "ethnic cleansing" in Gaza (he used the term, and "not lightly"), about the Epstein files, and about Israeli censorship in the media.

And he could see that his public applauded him for it. In July, he invited Tucker Carlson as a guest speaker to his Turning Point USA (TPUSA) event; Carlson spoke about Epstein as a Mossad agent, and encouraged the public (as he had Kirk privately, without doubt) to ask questions without fear of being called antisemites: "you're allowed to do that, because you're not a slave." The clip went viral. Kirk actually heeded his advice and voiced the same questions himself on stage. Other guests like Megyn Kelly or comedian Dave Smith spoke very harshly of Israel under his watch. Obviously, Trump's decision to close and dismiss the Epstein affair created strong resentment among the MAGA youth, and Kirk could not ignore it.

Weeks later, August 13, Kirk was reported by Harrison Smith of InfoWars to have said to a friend that "Israel will kill him if he turns against them" (watch Smith's second follow up on his tweet). You don’t say such a think unless you have received some warning or implicit threat. Then Kirk received a phone call from Netanyahu (confirmed by Netanyahu) inviting him to Israel, and Kirk is believed to have declined. Worse, he continued to raise questions. In his last interview aired the day before his death, as if heeding Carlson's encouragement, he challenged Ben Shapiro, the arch-Zionist Jewish editor of the Daily Wire, telling him "You Jews own the media, Ben," insisting that we have a right to question the mainstream narrative on Israel, and stating that he doesn't like Bibi Netanyahu's statement: "You can't be MAGA if you're anti-Israel". From what I have seen of his recent interventions (here is a 32-minute compilation), it seems that he was moving in the direction that Carlson and Owens had taken before him, hesitantly for sure. And it is clear that he was testing his public on these issues, and receiving positive encouragement from them. It is also evident that he was receiving very negative pushback from his Jewish backers and donors, as well as from the White House. Knowing Kirk's colossal influence on young MAGA supporters, it's plausible that Netanyahu's mafia had decided to eliminate him (and also punish him and make an example). He had to be eliminated before he completed his turn, while it was still possible for Netanyahu to mourn the death of a "lion-hearted friend of Israel" (killing two birds with one stone). It is the turn that is most dangerous. In this article, Kevin Barrett illustrates the threat hanging over Kirk with the warning issued to him on August 5 by Daniella Bloom in The Times of Israel.

On the Qui Bono aspect of the case the best source on this affair so far is The Grayzone article titled "Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu funding offer, was 'frightened' by pro-Israel forces before death, friend reveals." The authors (Max Blumenthal and Anya Parampil) start like this:

Charlie Kirk rejected an offer earlier this year from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to arrange a massive new infusion of Zionist money into his Turning Point USA (TPUSA) organization, America's largest conservative youth association, according to a longtime friend of the slain commentator speaking on the condition of anonymity. The source told The Grayzone that the late pro-Trump influencer believed Netanyahu was trying to cow him into silence as he began to publicly question Israel's overwhelming influence in Washington and demanded more space to criticize it.

In the weeks leading up to his September 10 assassination, Kirk had come to loathe the Israeli leader, regarding him as a "bully," the source said. Kirk was disgusted by what he witnessed inside the Trump administration, where Netanyahu sought to personally dictate the president's personnel decisions, and weaponized Israeli assets like billionaire donor Miriam Adelson to keep the White House firmly under its thumb.

According to Kirk's friend, who also enjoyed access to President Donald Trump and his inner circle, Kirk strongly warned Trump last June against bombing Iran on Israel's behalf. "Charlie was the only person who did that," they said, recalling how Trump "barked at him" in response and angrily shut down the conversation. The source believes the incident confirmed in Kirk's mind that the president of the United States had fallen under the control of a malign foreign power, and was leading his own country into a series of disastrous conflicts.

On the investigation, I recommend listening to Jackson Hinkle's talk posted September 12. Hinkle provides crucial information about inconsistencies concerning the suspect, such as: the gun found in the wooded area that is not seen on any image of the suspect, the "full tactical gear" that the FBI had said the suspect was wearing but that he is not wearing on the photos allegedly taken of him at the event, and the private jet owned by wealthy Chabad Jew Derek Maxfield that took off one hour after the crime from Faro airport (a 12-minute drive from the crime scene), and turned off its transponder. Obviously, there is a lot of explanation expected from the FBI, and Hinkle doesn't miss the opportunity to mock FBI director Kash Patel and his Mossad honey-pot wife.

Nick Fuentes has not commented clearly on the Israel theory, and wisely: he is now strongly attacked by leftists for having incited hatred against Kirk, and accused of having motivated the killer, with rumors that the killer followed him on X.

Candace Owens has expressed her conviction that Kirk "was going through a spiritual transformation,” and her anger at Netanyahu's attempt to capitalize on Kirk's death. She has accused him of having lied by omission when reading on television a letter that Kirk had sent to him, the content of which Owens claims to know. In that letter, according to Netanyahu, Kirk wrote: "One of my greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel and forming alliances to defend Judeo-Christian civilization." However, Owens is implying that the important part of the letter was the following part starting with "but…" In a more recent video, she accuses Netanyahu to "lie by severe omission".

Carlson has also, to my knowledge, made no comment on the investigation, but, in tweets and in a talk with Megyn Kelly, has confirmed his conviction that Kirk was turning away for his support of Israel. Carlson said that Kirk who had personal access to Trump, tried to convince him not to let Israel drag the U.S. into a war against Iran, and that Kirk was receiving a lot of backlash for trying to oppose the neocon agenda.

Please go to Radbod's Lament to continue reading.

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All of the mass psychological programming media are focused entirely on the patsy lone shooter Tyler Robinson (he is totally whacked out on drugs) to distract people from the investigation into the assassination team of mercenaries embedded in Charlie Kirk's "security" team:  

Downstream events converging...

In case anyone can see the larger picture...

$1 billion in private equity invested in Israel

Who were the 5 to 6 man team inside Charlie Kirk's security team?

Special Guest Gary Holland - Who Provided Charlie's Security? No One Seems To Know!

This is what is called spoliation of evidence and is going on at an active crime scene. The status of the bullet in Charlie Kirk's murder case: The bullet that killed Charlie Kirk has not been recovered, based on the latest available information as of September 18, 2025. The investigation by Utah authorities and the FBI has focused on other physical evidence, but the projectile itself remains unaccounted for, contributing to ongoing speculation and calls for transparency:

There has been no forensic examination. Murder scene not lockdown.

More spoliation of evidence:

The grass where Charlie Kirk was speaking really was paved over in concrete blocks immediately after the shooting!

Based on news reports following Charlie Kirk's death, there are conflicting accounts about Ben Shapiro's role at Turning Point USA. Some outlets report that Shapiro is taking over leadership of the organization and planning a nationwide debate tour to continue Kirk's work, with one source quoting him as vowing to "pick up that blood-stained microphone." The Daily Wire, Shapiro's media company, has announced a $1 million donation to TPUSA in Kirk's honor. However, other reports indicate that Charlie Kirk's widow, Erika Kirk, has been officially named as the new CEO of Turning Point USA. The situation remains unclear, with speculation continuing about whether Shapiro will assume a formal leadership role or simply provide external support to the organization.

Ben Shapiro faces backlash for picking up Charlie Kirk's 'blood-stained mic' remark

Inside the murder game: Michael Yon on Charlie Kirk, Zionists and global chaos:

Reader comment: "The shooter is standing at the barrier fence just in front of the platform where Charlie is speaking from. The shooter is probably 10 or 12 feet away. As Charlie raises the mike to begin answering the question posed, he turns his head somewhat to the right and is then shot in the left side of the neck, which obviously hit his jugular vein. The guy in the black shirt (making hand signals) standing behind Charlie, slightly to his right side, got blood splattered on his black shirt when the shot rang out. The Killer jumped over the barrier fence and got up on the stage along with his buddies in the black shirt and the white baseball cap, who together with four other buddies, picked up Charlie and carried him to the black SUV and then left the scene with Charlie's body. Strangely, they haven't been seen since?"